Join us on a captivating exploration as we host Reverend Ruin Martin Oakley in a profound conversation about his faith journey. From his early days in Pentecostalism, through his atheism phase, and ultimately to his current beliefs as a universalist and pantheist, Reverend Oakley offers insightful revelations on the transformative nature of spiritual quests. Inspired by writers like Christopher Hitchens, and against the backdrop of the Christian music explosion of the 90s, we discuss the polarizing effect of leaders, tribalism, and religious interpretations.